In Deep: The FBI, the CIA, and the Truth about America’s “Deep State”

Three-quarters of Americans believe that a group of unelected government and military officials secretly manipulate or direct national policy in the United States. President Trump blames the “deep state” for his impeachment. But what is the American “deep state” and does it really exist?

In this episode Pulitzer Prize winning journalist David Rohde speaks to Elizabeth Rubin about his new book “In Deep” based on dozens of interviews with career CIA operatives and FBI agents to understand whether America’s government institutions are protecting or abusing the public’s trust.

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